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PostSubject: Challenge to seperation fo Church and State   Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:34 pm

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John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

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John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

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Samuel Adams:
“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

These founders admit that this country is based upon Christian principles by Christian men.
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John Quincy Adams:
• “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

Adans states that the DOI was a set on a foundation of Christian precepts to help complete Christ's mission on Earth. Some may say that God wished to use America as a home base to help spread his message. And for a while, this has been such a base. Thousands of Christian missionaries and evangelists have been trained and sent from here to spread the gospel world wide.
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Elias Boudinot:
“ Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits.”

Boudinot shows in this quote his concern that we vote in a Christian manner. He knew that the terms "seperation of church and state" was a load of baloney. It is essential that we base our vote of government officials not souly on their credentials and experience, but also upon their relationship with Christ. "You will know them by their fruits"
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Benjamin Franklin:
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
“In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]
In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."
In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."

Franklin believes that America could not rise to where it is today without the presence of God. While we still yet allowed God in our country, we were a great nation. Now that God is being taken more and more out of the country, well, you see where the country is headed. Franklin believed that it was essential that God be taught in our school systems, but we removed God from our schools over a simple prayer that offended many.
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"Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country."
This was a prayer adopted in New York that caused an uproar in the nation. This eventually lead to the removal of prayer from schools. What was so bad in this prayer that made it so offensive? You don't want the nation, your parents, your teachers, and your children blessed? That's basically what the government told God, and since He gave us free will He says "okay, your choice."
Following the removal of God from schools, the divorce rate tripled each year for 15 years. Shootings became normal. Teacher are allowing students to graduate that are illiterate. They can't even read the diploma they have been awarded. More and more teachers don't care about their students. And the nation is falling apart. Why? because America told God they didn't want His blessing.

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Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."
• This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
Henry himself said that our founders established this country on Christianity. We allow other religions in for asylum out of love. They have the freedom to prosper here and worship the God of our faith.
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James Madison
At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”
Our very government system was created through the use of scriptures from the Bible. In many of our documents the Bible is quoted over any other book.
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George Washington:
Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..."

“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]
"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]
During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the Constitution but added several religious components to that official ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words “So help me God!” to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.
Washington believes this country could not be ran without God being a part of it. He believed in it so much that he would not even take his oath without a Bible present. He then showed his love for the word by kissing it in front of the assembly.

Liberty Bell Inscription:
“ Proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof” [Leviticus 25:10]

Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware (1776)
Required all officers, besides taking an oath of allegiance, to make and subscribe to the following declaration:

• "I, [name], do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration."

In that time in Delaware, you could not even be an officer in the state unless you were a self proclaimed Christian.
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - United States Supreme Court, 1892.

52 out of 55 of the writers of the constitution were Christian

In God We Trust

To fellow Christians out there who believe in seperation of Church and state. It is taught in church upon church that we are to surrender our all, everything the belongs to us and is us, to Jesus. This government belongs to the people. It is ran by the people. It is ours, and as such, we are to surrender it over to Christ.

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